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Murujuga Nat Park[edit]
Pasting this link for future reference if/when I eventually create a Murujuga National Park article. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:11, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
- And cropped a banner too. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:04, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
- This park page is scrappy and I propose merging into Karratha. It's nearby, non-contiguous and has no gates or fees, so it's similar to several other parks which have POIs but are easily described within their nearby base town. (For instance Shark Bay for Francois Peron and Kalbarri for its namesake.) The closest and best sight to town is Ngajali Deep Gorge and it's unhelpful not to mark and describe it, among adjacent POIs that happen not to be in the park. The present park marker sits somewhere at random in the separate north section with scant relevant content: where are the trails, petroglyphs and old bones up there? I also propose re-using Murujuga banner for Karratha, which is a mining rather than a cattle town. Grahamsands (talk)
- Strongly oppose merger – it's a pretty significant site currently on UNESCO's tentative list and on that reasoning, I oppose. While it might have only one boardwalk at this point in time, I did read somewhere that there were plans to build more tourist facilities. If needed, the article can be renamed to Murujuga Cultural Landscape in line with the UNESCO name, which also covers some areas of the Burrup Peninsula and some underwater dive sites, which don't really belong here or Burrup Peninsula. I realize that 45 minutes isn't really long at all, but many national parks are within 30 minutes of a city and we don't merge those. Let's not forget the the park is an Other destination of Western Australia too. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:13, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
- Those don't sound like reasons to misdirect visitors many miles north of where they can best see the petroglyphs. Grahamsands (talk) 13:35, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
- The coords in Murujuga National Park are the ones found in Parks WA's website. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:37, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
- Not on the one I'm looking at, and not on Murujuga National Park page, which both place Ngajarli at -20.6359, 116.7880. You can even lift Google map pegman into the gorge, tho the view predates the boardwalk. I am therefore restoring the marker to where it actually is. And I would be delighted to see the Murujuga page develop, but after three months it remains scrappy, and it will not be improved by edit-warring against the town page, which gives better info in two succinct lines. Also it would have been nice to discuss before replacing the banner, the new image is striking but could be an industrial port anywhere. Grahamsands (talk) 09:02, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, except it's not 3 months, but only 1.5 months, and while there's no limit for destination articles, articles such as travel topics and itineraries get one year, and this is only 12.5 percent of that.
- To the other examples, the difference between Francois Peron in Shark Bay is that the park is a part of the rural area and it's a similar case with Burleigh Heads National Park too. And the difference with Kalbarri was that it was more a town serving the national park, but that is not the case with Murujuga – Karratha is a mining town, and it's not a town that serves the park. That would be a bit like merging Banff National Park to Banff.
- Also, to the banner, uncontroversial changes are fine, and this one was taken about 30 km (19 mi) outside Karratha and it does fulfill the criterion that banners that depict the wrong location can be changed without discussion.
- But I'll work on the Murujuga NP article soon... SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:31, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Hokay, I accept you began assembling content in Nov but only created that page in Jan. So long as work is in hand, for me there's no deadline, and you might find it easier to work on it in a couple of months when the town wakes up from summer siesta. The key criterion is whether there's enough substantive content - something a bit more than a two-line description of a boardwalk. Grahamsands (talk) 21:22, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Not on the one I'm looking at, and not on Murujuga National Park page, which both place Ngajarli at -20.6359, 116.7880. You can even lift Google map pegman into the gorge, tho the view predates the boardwalk. I am therefore restoring the marker to where it actually is. And I would be delighted to see the Murujuga page develop, but after three months it remains scrappy, and it will not be improved by edit-warring against the town page, which gives better info in two succinct lines. Also it would have been nice to discuss before replacing the banner, the new image is striking but could be an industrial port anywhere. Grahamsands (talk) 09:02, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- The coords in Murujuga National Park are the ones found in Parks WA's website. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:37, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
- Those don't sound like reasons to misdirect visitors many miles north of where they can best see the petroglyphs. Grahamsands (talk) 13:35, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
- Strongly oppose merger – it's a pretty significant site currently on UNESCO's tentative list and on that reasoning, I oppose. While it might have only one boardwalk at this point in time, I did read somewhere that there were plans to build more tourist facilities. If needed, the article can be renamed to Murujuga Cultural Landscape in line with the UNESCO name, which also covers some areas of the Burrup Peninsula and some underwater dive sites, which don't really belong here or Burrup Peninsula. I realize that 45 minutes isn't really long at all, but many national parks are within 30 minutes of a city and we don't merge those. Let's not forget the the park is an Other destination of Western Australia too. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:13, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
- This park page is scrappy and I propose merging into Karratha. It's nearby, non-contiguous and has no gates or fees, so it's similar to several other parks which have POIs but are easily described within their nearby base town. (For instance Shark Bay for Francois Peron and Kalbarri for its namesake.) The closest and best sight to town is Ngajali Deep Gorge and it's unhelpful not to mark and describe it, among adjacent POIs that happen not to be in the park. The present park marker sits somewhere at random in the separate north section with scant relevant content: where are the trails, petroglyphs and old bones up there? I also propose re-using Murujuga banner for Karratha, which is a mining rather than a cattle town. Grahamsands (talk)